Working Toward Financial Independence w/ Joe DiSanto

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I’m right here right this moment with Joe DiSanto, and we’re speaking about an typically not sufficient talked about side of well being, which is monetary well being. And the rationale I feel that they’re associated is that we all know, statistically, many people have stress that stems from monetary worries. And this stress is usually a large reason behind stress in different areas of life, and of not getting sufficient sleep, and throughout the board.

And so, I’m right here with somebody who I’ve discovered lately, and I’m actually having fun with his work. Joe DiSanto has a weblog referred to as “PLAY LOUDER,” the place he talks in regards to the thought of not simply working towards retirement, however working towards monetary independence and time freedom. And we go into, right this moment, what that appears like and the way we are able to all run our personal particular person monetary lives like a enterprise in methods which can be tax-efficient, that assist us work in the direction of this monetary freedom earlier, and a few methods for what that basically appears like. It’s encouraging as a result of I feel it’s typically so much simpler than we anticipate, and possibly this quantity that we’re working towards for monetary freedom is commonly decrease than we expect it could be.

So, we actually go into that right this moment. We speak about issues like actual property, about facet hustles, about budgeting, and about investing, and how you can make all of these items work collectively for you. So, very sensible episode, somewhat little bit of a deviation from the traditional simply bodily features of well being or the mental-emotional that I’ve been speaking about extra lately. I feel this one additionally comes into play as monetary woes are one of many prime 5 stressors for a lot of Americans, and I feel you’ll get so much out of this one. So, let’s soar in.
Joe, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Joe: Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Katie. It’s very good to be right here.

Katie: I’m excited for this chat as a result of it’s somewhat little bit of a deviation from our regular speak of simply the bodily features of well being and wellness. But I feel one which’s equally vital, which is the concept of funds, and particularly how these tie into psychological well being. And I do know that every one sorts of economic, completely different concerns are sources of stress for lots of people. So I’m actually grateful to get to leap into this with you right this moment and actually speak about among the sensible issues that individuals can do.

Joe: Absolutely.

Katie: To begin off, although, give us somewhat little bit of your background and the way you bought into this world, to start with.

Joe: Sure. Well, let’s see. I used to be born in 1975… Well, I’m gonna minimize to, I suppose, sort of post-college. I truly sort of… I’m somewhat little bit of like an artwork and a math mind. And so, I used to be truly an artwork main in school, consider or not, however I additionally was at all times desirous about finance, in enterprise. And I simply at all times wished to… A few issues I wished to do after getting onto school for no matter causes, I wished to personal a home and I wished to begin a enterprise. And these have been identical to on my agenda gadgets. And being I used to be into artwork, , I used to be additionally pursuing that. I used to be a pictures main, and I kinda was gonna be pursuing pictures. And I ended up entering into post-production. And post-production turned out to only be like the proper inventive enterprise for me. It’s one thing I actually cherished doing. I cherished doing the work. It was a extremely enjoyable business. And it was an important sort of bit in my thoughts. It was like an important enterprise that I probably owned sometime. So, the celebs aligned for me in that sense. I sort of discovered, like, a extremely nice option to, like, commercially and virtually apply artwork, , as a profession and it lined up with being enterprise alternative, I believed.

So, finally, I’m from Rhode Island, I went to School of Massachusetts. I moved to New York proper after college to sort of begin my profession there. And then a few years into that, I made a decision New York was somewhat too tight for me. I’m form of, like… You know, I’m somewhat acedia. Like, , I like issues sort of tidy. And it was, like… It was somewhat claustrophobic. So, I made a decision to go on this highway journey with my girlfriend on the time. And the highway journey simply, like, by no means ended, I suppose you may say. We drove via Los Angeles, and we have been there for like per week. And it was just about the opposite place I may do my work. And we determined simply to remain. We determined not to return to New York. And that was simply in all probability about 21 years in the past. I stay in Florida now for the final couple of years however I used to be in LA for almost 20 years. And that’s the place I met my spouse. And we truly labored collectively, however…

So my profession simply sort of, like, continued on there and it grew. And then finally, I began a enterprise. And alongside the way in which, , the opposite sort of background of me is, like, I’ve at all times been into finance and sort of like cash, I suppose. I imply, each for simply it’s sort of like my mind, but in addition, in my youthful years, , in my household life, we sort of had lots of struggles with cash. So, I began working early and simply sort of needed to begin fascinated with cash early. And cash was simply one thing that I actually, like, wished to have management over, I suppose in my life. So, I simply adopted these actually good, like, sort of private finance habits simply, , outdoors of my work. And then as I acquired into, like, operating companies, however previous to beginning my very own, like, the place I used to be working, after which finally beginning my very own, I used to be capable of apply all these, like, actually, , sort of good fastidious private finance attributes to the companies.

And I in a short time realized that, , operating the funds of your life may be very very like operating the funds of a enterprise. It means sort of the identical factor. You’re simply sort of operating the enterprise of you. So, I sort of taught myself, , accounting and bookkeeping, and issues like that, only for my very own private, , life. And then I simply began making use of this to my enterprise. And these ways and techniques are very efficient in enterprise. And for no matter cause, it’s humorous, like, in enterprise, doing all your funds and staying on prime of your books and understanding the place and the way you generate income, and understanding how a lot cash you spend, and ensuring that you’ve a “profitable business,” that’s fairly commonplace up, , on the planet of enterprise and for apparent causes. It’s like nobody desires to, , be in a enterprise that’s shedding cash. And truly, you’ll be able to’t be in a enterprise that’s shedding cash for too lengthy.

But for some cause, in the case of our private lives, like, folks don’t actually, like, assume that that’s essentially one thing that you should do, like, , sort of observe your revenue and bills and just remember to’re at all times making greater than you’re spending and, , sort of have a marketing strategy to your life. And I don’t know why, for me, I at all times made that correlation, . I may see that they have been sort of the identical factor. And I at all times considered my life as like operating the enterprise of me. And it’s not even simply within the sense of cash, , cash in, cash out and, like, the bookkeeping side, however it’s additionally, like, sort of the mentality of, like, , being entrepreneurial in your life and being business-minded, . And even in case you don’t personal a enterprise, like, previous to proudly owning a enterprise, I used to be business-minded in my work.

Like, I considered myself, , as, , I used to be the product and my employer was my one shopper, and, like, I actually wished to do job, and have them wanna give me extra work, and extra accountability, and pay me extra, and truly preserve hiring me yr after yr. So, I sort of at all times simply utilized these, like, , entrepreneurial, like, enterprise mentalities to my life. And minimize to now, , my spouse and I, and together with our companions and mates began the enterprise. It was profitable in Los Angeles. It’s nonetheless going truly. My companions graciously cashed me out as a result of my spouse and I made a decision… I don’t know, we have been in our 40s once we had our baby. I used to be 40, she was 36. And we used to work so much. Like, , our enterprise in Los Angeles was just about promoting and leisure. And like many industries, it’s an extended hours enterprise. You actually must stay it. And that was nice.

We completely loved it and cherished it. But as soon as we had a child, then hastily, we didn’t have the time anymore. We have been like, “Wow, this is really hard.” It’s actually arduous to steadiness having a child and likewise do our profession the way in which that we had been doing it. And, , most everybody in demanding jobs solves that drawback by hiring a nanny and doing no matter they must do. And we have been doing that. And I don’t know, someplace in there, we began to assume that, “Hey, you know, maybe we should, like, rethink our whole life. Like, maybe if we, like… You know, if we can do it, if we can revise our whole lifestyle, could we move and, like, maybe work less and spend more time with our son and, you know, work part-time or…?” And my spouse at the moment isn’t… She’s simply full-time moming now and sort of devoting herself to my son whereas he’s younger, , in these younger years.

And that seed acquired planted someplace alongside the road and it grew. And, , simply over two years in the past, we packed up the entire operation and moved to a inexpensive place to stay. And now we stay within the Tampa, Florida space, and we actually prefer it. And, , alongside the way in which, in proudly owning the companies, , I had… You know, we’ve employed… We had, , many workers, like, , on common about 30 to 40, however as many as 60, in some circumstances, once we have been doing productions. And so, I’ve employed lots of younger folks and sort of mentored lots of younger folks. And via these years, I used to be engaged on, , simply being a planner, planning for my “retirement” sometime, investing, sort of protecting observe of my very own private funds, protecting observe of the funds for the enterprise. And we labored in, like… You know, I by no means had my very own workplace. We simply had, like, an open workspace.

And among the younger youngsters and even, , folks of their 30s, they’d hear me speaking about actual property on the cellphone or doing this or that, they usually’d begin to inquire, like, “So what do you do? Like, how do you prepare for retirement? Like, should I be buying real estate? What should I be investing in? And I started to began this mentor in this personal finance realm to folks that, you know, I was working with, you know, some of my younger employees. And they would always say, like, “Hey, you know, you should, like, teach a class or something.” You know, like, sort of again then it was like, “You should go to the community college and teach a class at night or something.” And I at all times thought that may be enjoyable, however I simply by no means had the time. And so, as we transitioned, fortunately, all of the planning labored out and we sort of amassed sufficient cash to have the ability to make this large transition and work much less.

I actually determined to pursue being extra of, like, an educator within the private finance area and actually, like, attempt to assist folks perceive why it’s vital and why they need to be doing it and what the advantages of it are. But additionally, I’ve additionally since, , been contacted by different mates who personal firms and stuff like that, they usually’re like, “Hey, will you help us with our finances?” You know, as a result of they know me from my enterprise and it was profitable. And so, now I’m mainly being a enterprise supervisor for small companies and form of higher-income people, after which additionally teaching common people, I suppose you’d say, , on how you can get their monetary home so as and put together for what now I feel, , the fashionable time period for retirement, it ought to simply be referred to as retirement. You know, again within the day, it was simply good quaint retirement.

Now, the younger youngsters name it monetary independence. And it’s truly turn into form of this motion. There’s a complete motion round monetary independence referred to as the FIRE motion, which stands for Financial Independence, Retire Early. And it’s a complete group of those that sort of, , are into private financing and are actually specializing in saving extra, investing higher, and build up their internet price sooner, and attaining what they name monetary independence sooner of their life, versus the sort of quaint , you’re employed, , 45, 50 years, and then you definitely “retire,” , if you’re, , in your late 60s or 70s. And hopefully, , you may have, like, the mobility and the funds to truly go do some enjoyable stuff.

People are saying, “Hey, what if we, like, really supercharge our savings and our focus on achieving financial independence sooner in life?” And after I sort of began my private monetary, , journey method again proper after school, like, there was no folks speaking about that and also you have been simply sort of saving for “retirement.” Well, , my planning sort of, primarily, allowed us to get to, , a time of economic independence a lot sooner, , than we had hoped. So, we’re very glad about that. But now, I’m making an attempt to assist different folks, , get their thoughts on that and make progress in the direction of that themselves.

Katie: I really like that. And a lot of what you simply stated actually resonates with me as a result of I’ve the same realization in my life, not a lot with the monetary facet however at one level, years in the past, I used to be extremely confused making an attempt to handle a few companies. And on the time, I feel I had 5 youngsters, possibly 4 at that time however now six youngsters, and I used to be so confused. I used to be in all probability on the verge of a nervous breakdown. And on this second of readability, I considered truly deleting “Wellness Mama” as a result of I knew I couldn’t preserve all of the plates within the air the identical method.

Joe: Oh, my God, I can think about. Oh, wow, what a second that will need to have been…

Katie: Exactly. And…

Joe: …to have your hand on the delete key and also you’re like, “Should I do this?”

Katie: Yeah. And I had this, like, lightning bolt second of readability and realized, my stress wasn’t coming from the enterprise facet. My stress was coming from the house facet. So I began working backwards going, “Why am I not stressed in business and why am I stressed at home?” And I noticed, in enterprise, I knew what the objectives have been. I knew how we have been gonna get there. I had particular methods plans, KPIs, SOPs. I had all of it dialed in. So there was no supply of stress as a result of there have been no open loops. And I used to be operating my enterprise like a enterprise as I ought to have been. And at residence, I used to be making an attempt to handle much more variables all in my head, preserve all people’s bodily, emotional, like all their wants, meals, every part met all on my own in my head. And so, that was a lightning bolt day for me. And I began operating my residence strategy-wise, like I’d run a enterprise and placing a system in place.

Joe: There you go.

Katie: So I really like that you just introduced up that analogy. And I additionally love that you just went into the concept of economic independence since you’re proper, I feel this can be a shift our technology is making. Gone is the time the place you’ll be able to, generally, work for a similar firm your complete life after which retire at 65, and all of it simply works out. There’s simply… It’s too quickly altering. So, on the one hand, as mother and father, that’s one thing we don’t know to organize our children for as a result of actually their future would possibly even be extra quickly altering. But for us, it’s truly… There’s an attractive silver lining of that, to your level, which is, we don’t have to attend till we’re 65 to begin dwelling. We can work in the direction of that point freedom now.

And I really like that there’s this consciousness of the true fantastic thing about retirement is simply attending to do what you wanna do if you wanna do it, and conversely not must do stuff you don’t wanna do if you don’t wanna do it. And if you consider it that method, it’s simpler to begin constructing towards that youthful, and even when it’s part-time, constructing in methods that you could have extra of that point freedom, and have these experiences, and nonetheless construct your funds, and work towards this as a long-term aim as nicely. So let’s get, like, extra particular. Kind of stroll us via how you’re employed with somebody on making a plan for this, making a funds for this as a result of from my analysis and what I’ve labored on with my circle of relatives, it looks like this truly is much more doable than most individuals notice.

Joe: Yeah, , that’s the humorous factor about it. It’s actually not that arduous to have a plan and it doesn’t take that a lot time to place a “plan together.” I’d say in all probability what takes somewhat bit extra time is sort of, , the monitoring of your, , revenue and bills over time. And I’ll get to that. But to get into sort of planning for it, , I suppose one factor I sort of wished to say in regards to the retirement, it’s humorous, folks don’t appear to wish to plan for this. And I’m wondering why or strive to determine why. And I do consider it somewhat bit, like, , in a number of methods, , it’s like… So, like, for me, I get pleasure from private finance. It’s sort of like a pastime. You know, I don’t thoughts doing it. And I feel we’re sort of related and listening to your present, and also you speak about your sort of your character, I feel we’re sort of related in some ways.

And, like, I discover it stress-free as a result of, , finance and math, they sort of have concrete solutions. There’s no… You know, it’s not very nebulous, so I discover it soothing, however not all people’s into that, . It’s like all people’s acquired their hobbies. Some persons are into health, and that’s a extremely nice pastime to have as a result of it has lots of nice advantages to your life. Other folks, , no matter, they’re into flying kites. Who is aware of? So some hobbies do profit your life, , in these sensible methods, extra so than others. Obviously, all hobbies are good. So, , that’s one thing form of I take into consideration, like, possibly that’s a cause why folks don’t do it. If they’re simply not their pastime, it’s arduous for them to get behind it. But making the relation to health, cash is actually vital. And cash will have an effect on each side of your life, whether or not you take into account, , it a enjoyable pastime or not, and very like your well being. So, , identical to your well being, if it’s not your pastime, you continue to must do it and also you gotta work out a option to, like, mentally recover from it otherwise you hunt down some assist, like a private coach or one thing like that, to offer you some accountability and provide you with steering and construction, and hopefully get you to, like, a constant, , kind of well being.

But the opposite cause I feel folks sort of don’t take into consideration retirement is as a result of I don’t know, it simply does appear to be this far off, , Neverland, and also you sort of hear about it, however it’s one thing you consider doing if you’re outdated. Maybe that doesn’t excite folks. They assume it sounds sleepy, I don’t know. But if you begin to consider it as this monetary independence, as you’re saying, and also you begin to assume, “Hey, well, you know, maybe I could get to this earlier, then you think about it in a more exciting way. You’re like, “Wow, if I could have, like, freedom, and I didn’t have to go to this same job for, like, the next 40 years, I might only have to do for 10 years.” And you begin to get like, one, excited, and I feel it lets you get into this somewhat bit extra, like, , entrepreneurial and form of business-minded factor. Like, “What can I do to, like, advance this?” You know, you begin to assume extra strategically in regards to the enterprise of you and your life. And your aim finally is to, , get to this monetary freedom.

But the way in which you actually virtually get to it’s I do it in reverse. I name it reverse engineering your retirement. And you have a look at the place you wanna go first or take into consideration the place you wanna go. And it’s a reasonably easy train. It’s identical to, what would I wanna be doing with my time if I may completely select what I wished to do? And which may embody working. Like, I actually like working. So, , I can see myself performing some form of part-time work or consulting work, no matter, , indefinitely if I wished. But if I didn’t wish to, , I don’t must is the hope.

But you sort of have a look at that, after which you need to determine how a lot is that gonna value me, proper, like each month? And you perform a little little bit of a funds. And, , I’ve some instruments and stuff on my web site about this and also you sort of determine, “Okay, it’s gonna cost me, you know, to live kind of a free life, you know, limit expense, maybe it’s gonna cost me I don’t know, $500 or $6,000 a month, or $60,000 a year,” for instance. And then, , there’s a bunch of sort of frequent, I suppose, or, , usually accepted sort of approaches to fascinated with this.

And I can… You know, I’ve lots of rationalization of this in my web site and even a course about doing this. But mainly, you’re taking your projected annual, , expense to your retirement, you instances it by 25, and that’s primarily like goal of financial savings, that if in case you have this goal of financial savings, you in all probability may, , virtually be attaining some form of monetary independence. So it’s truly fairly straightforward to get to, like, a monetary quantity or a aim, , to work in the direction of. And then when you do this, , you should use a lot of easy instruments on-line, however I’ve a number of, and I’ll clarify why I like mine to sort of work out, “Okay. Well, if that’s my goal, like, how much do I need to save, you know, in an ongoing basis if I factor in a certain amount of investment return to achieve my goal over a certain period of time?” And, like, once more, you’ll be able to go surfing, there’s tons of calculators, the place you’ll be able to put in a number of numbers and get a quantity out.

But what I love to do, personally, is I wish to sort of make my very own little spreadsheets, easy calculators, however I like to only visually see, , if I’m beginning right this moment, and my aim is that this specific quantity, and I think about, like, , I’m gonna make certain quantity of return on the cash that I save and make investments, what number of years is that gonna take to succeed in my aim? And I wish to sort of visually see it play out, like, on a bit of paper over time. And the rationale I like to do this is as a result of, , you’ll be able to go use a calculator, plug in a few numbers, and get a consequence however probably not perceive, like, the place the result’s coming from, and the way it’s calculating, and why it’s taking place. So in case you use sort of a spreadsheet, the place you’ll be able to sort of visually see it, it actually sort of clues you in as to, like, how that is going to materialize and simply, I feel places you in the suitable perspective of how one can obtain it. And, , once more, I’ve some instruments and stuff that I’ve created that individuals can use to truly see this with out having to do all of the work.

But it actually doesn’t take that a lot time to calculate this quantity and form of see the way it performs out over time and form of play with it. Honestly, you may give you a plan in a number of hours, . And then I’d say, like, you sort of do it… You have a look at it like every year, see the way you’re doing, examine in with it. And it’s such as you plant that seed in your head of, like, “Okay, so, if I save this and I do this process for the next 20 years, I’ll reach this, but if I increase my savings a little bit, maybe I’ll take five years off of that.” You know what I imply? If I purchase this inexpensive automobile and, , as a substitute of spending $600 a month on a automobile fee solely being three, like, how rapidly will that advance me to this monetary independence state?

And in case you plant these little seeds in your head, I feel what occurs is you begin to get somewhat bit enthusiastic about it and also you see, like, I could make small adjustments in my life proper now and save somewhat bit, and that may go a good distance over the following, like, 20 years. And if I make, , some larger adjustments, I’d take 5, , or 10 years off of my work life and get to this time of economic independence somewhat bit sooner. But solely I feel in case you truly sort of take a number of hours, once more, map it out somewhat bit, and have a look at it and, like, visually see, , how one can obtain it and how one can advance it, in case you don’t do this, you don’t plant these seeds, and in case you don’t plant these seeds, you’re simply, like, leaving it as much as likelihood. And for no matter causes, , possibly those I discussed earlier as a result of it’s not particular person’s pastime or no matter, they don’t like finance, what they do is that they sort of say to themselves, “Well, geez, I know I need to save and invest. I keep hearing that. I’ve been hearing that. I’m trying. So just, you know, I’m picking an arbitrary number that I think I can, like, put to this whole savings and investing thing.” But they don’t actually, like, know why they’re doing it or the place they’re going with that.

And I actually make the analogy that it’s like… Financial independence or retirement, no matter you wanna name it, it’s a vacation spot. You know, and we’re all on a highway to this vacation spot, whether or not you consider it or not. Like, you won’t be fascinated with it since you’re younger and, , possibly you’re in 20s or 30s, and also you’re like, “I’m just gonna work forever or I don’t care.” Eventually, you’ll get to a spot in your life the place you’re, like, “Wow, I actually am advancing towards some version of retirement and even whether I was thinking about it or not.” But in case you don’t have a plan, it’s like happening a highway journey with no map, , and never precisely understanding the place you’re going. You know, in case you go on a highway journey, you don’t have a vacation spot and also you’ve by no means opened a map, you’re simply meandering your method throughout the nation with the hope that you just’ll finally find yourself the place you’re going. And the chances of which can be very slim. You’ll in all probability find yourself in a spot that’s not what you had in your head, and it’ll in all probability take you a large number longer to get there.

So, I actually am making an attempt to only work with folks and present them that, one, it’s not arduous to do a easy plan and two, understanding the worth of planting the seeds and letting them develop and, , tending to this backyard alongside the way in which and, , you’ll truly find yourself with it with a consequence you’re pleased with versus no matter occurs? Did that make any sense?

Katie: Absolutely. Yeah, no, I really like how detailed we’re getting on this. And I feel considering of it that method, it takes away… It truly makes it a lot extra tangible and fewer daunting than this concept of, like, only a retirement plan that’s gonna kick in if you’re older. And you’ve touched on it already in passing. But I’d additionally love to speak about this from the angle of, like, the guardian facet as a result of clearly, that is one thing we needs to be doing for ourselves so we are able to have that monetary freedom as quickly as potential. But I additionally at all times assume ahead towards my youngsters as nicely. And I’ve talked earlier than on this podcast about our sort of different method of elevating them and the way we’ve constructed a curriculum from the bottom up that’s primarily based in entrepreneurship and geared in the direction of them having this monetary independence.

But what are some methods mother and father can use from a really younger age to assist their youngsters have the identical benefit as a result of I do know lots of us have in all probability seen these spreadsheets the place if you begin these investments, and financial savings, and various things to your youngsters, after they’re younger, even only a small month-to-month quantity, the numbers get actually exponential by the point they’re older. And there’s some inventive ways in which they will then use that. Like, with our children, as an illustration, one technique we did is, like, we are able to’t arrange Roth IRAs as mother and father, we are able to’t, however our children may. And they work with us within the enterprise and we pay them, and that earned revenue goes right into a Roth IRA. And we use that for a few of their investments. And it’s a sort of a car the place they’re truly attending to self-direct now and study a few of these investments. And despite the fact that, technically, you’ll be able to’t take cash out of that till you’re retired, there’s a ten% penalty, which is lower than capital positive aspects or common tax brackets. So we’re utilizing that as sort of a studying funding car for them.

But stroll us via a few of these methods as a result of it looks like throughout the board, the sooner we begin on any of these items, whether or not the sooner as adults or the sooner with our children, the extra likelihood we’ve to essentially, like, get that ball rolling.

Joe: Yes. Yes. And by the way in which, to your level in regards to the well being advantages within the household enterprise, I additionally really feel like if you sort of tackle this problem somewhat bit and also you get your self sort of organized, and also you get your loved ones sort of in tune with it, I actually assume it’s nice for, like, your psychological well being and the well being of your relationship and your loved ones. Like, chaos isn’t good. I make lots of analogies with cash. And I do lots of analogies to finance, to group, to maps. But I’m, like, an organized particular person and it’s like… You know, there’s different reveals about individuals who… You know, I neglect the title of that present, however it’s a girl who goes to folks’s homes and set up their homes, and it’s like, , this sort of, , large weight off their shoulder. And it truly may be sort of emotional. Well, getting your monetary home organized, I feel has the identical advantages of taking this large weight off your shoulders and form of, like, , this factor, , that’s been hanging round that you need to cope with and you retain placing it off. And it could possibly create each stress, , individually for folks and your households.

But attending to what you’re speaking about with youngsters, like, if you begin to deal with this as a household, naturally, you wish to contain your youngsters. And you begin to assume, “Well, yeah, you know, it’s like, probably a lot of people think, “Jeez,” after they begin doing it, “I probably should have started doing this sooner.” And clearly, it’s at all times good, the earlier the higher. But when you get your head into it, then you definitely have a look at your youngsters and also you’re like, “Wow. Like, I really should both be saving for my kids, obviously, but then trying to educate them and give them some of this financial education.” And that could be a drawback, like, on the planet. You know, at the very least, in America, it’s like we don’t give youngsters sufficient monetary schooling, private finance schooling. It’s not that sophisticated. But for some cause, it doesn’t occur. And additionally, for some cause, I don’t know, there’s like lots of uncomfortableness speaking about cash. I don’t know why it looks like…

But to reply your query, , it’s like, my son’s 5, so it’s sort of we’re not fairly there but. But at the very least for his age, what we speak about with him so much is once we purchase issues or he desires issues, for instance, we make the relation that no matter we spend our cash on, , it prices cash and actually that cash comes from our time. And the extra we purchase, probably, the much less time that mommy and daddy must spend with you. And this complete thought truly comes from a e-book referred to as “Your Money or Your Life.” I don’t know in case you’ve ever heard of it or examine it, however it’s sort of a Bible of the FIRE motion by a girl named Vicki Robin. And mainly, she makes the purpose that once we purchase issues, we’re not simply spending our cash, we’re buying and selling our future time for no matter that factor is.

So, in case you go and purchase a $5,000 tv, , what number of hours is it gonna take you to…? You know, what number of hours of labor is it gonna be concerned so that you can personal that TV? And in case you simply actually needed to cease what you’re doing and commerce your time for that TV, would you purchase it? Do what I imply? And it’s like, we’ve been making an attempt to make that time to our son. Like, every part we spend cash on is, , made up of our time. And it’s like, he likes to be with us, and be together with his mother, and do enjoyable issues collectively. And we make the purpose of, like, nicely, is that factor price us not having the ability to go do one thing else enjoyable that you just would possibly wanna do? And additionally, like, even stuff like him… You know, with younger youngsters are at all times turning the water on, they like to observe it, and I’m at all times, like, turning it off. And I’m like, “Think about that water. It’s not free. You know, the more we waste water, the more we have to pay. And that means the more time we have to work in order to come up with that money.” So, like, it’s simply having that water come out of the spout and be wasted, is that price me having to work, say, one other two or three hours and never be capable of come to dinner on time, ?

So, we’ve been making that analogy with him. And I feel that’s actually vital as a result of, , if you translate that to adults, it’s like, when folks aren’t saving cash, they usually’re not being prudent about their funds, they usually’re sort of being loosey-goosey about it, , they could be positive, however what they’re finally doing is that they’re tacking on extra work, , to the top of their life, , or pushing their potential monetary freedom date out additional. And when you consider it that method, you’re like, “Wow, if I just spend, you know, some time, like, organizing my finances and being sort of a little bit more judicious about what I spend money on, I could, like, get to a financial freedom state five years sooner?” Wow, I imply, that’s a reasonably good trade-off. You know, it’s like possibly that’s the place it’s placing somewhat little bit of time into it on a weekly foundation.

So, we’re making that reference to our son about, , shopping for issues is the equal of you buying and selling your time. And is it price it? Could you be doing one thing else that you’d get pleasure from extra? And then we’re slowly entering into truthfully performing some funding, like, , fascinated with some investing with him. And it’s actually easy. It’s like, he’s beginning to do some chores and, , we’re like, in case you wanna, , be extra devoted about your chores, , we’ll mainly pay you. You know, you’ll be able to earn some cash. And so he’s earned some cash, , making his mattress on daily basis and issues like that. And then we speak about, like, “Okay. So what do you wanna do with this money? Like, we can go buy something with it, which might be fun, and that might be, you know, worthwhile thing to do if it’s something you really want or we could invest it.”

And I’ve had this dialog with him. And, , he’s greedy it somewhat bit. And I’m not like… We’re not getting tremendous severe about it. But amazingly, and this occurred final week, he had $4 that he had earned, and he stated, “I decided what I wanna do with it. I wanna grow it. I wanna grow it into more money. So, you know, like, can we invest it?” And I swear to God, , it actually simply occurred, , unexpectedly. So I stated, “Yeah, we can invest it.” We put it in an envelope and we marked the envelope with the amount of cash and I instructed him what we have been gonna make investments it in. And he’s been asking about it. He’s like, “How’s our investment doing?” And I used to be truthfully, like, fairly stunned that… You know, I feel sort of having these gentle conversations about cash and, like, , deciding how vital is it to have a factor versus have, , freedom and decisions and extra time with mommy and daddy, I feel possibly it’s had somewhat little bit of an impact on him the place he’s like, “Yeah, you know what? If I can make this money into more money, why not do that instead of going to buy this thing or whatever?” It looks like the correlation is occurring.

But as they grow old, I feel that, , you sort of do have to sit down down with them and share details about your loved ones funds and present them, , like, actual sensible state of affairs about what saving does, what you wanna commerce your time for and, like, how you can develop your financial savings and what the aim is? You know what I imply? It’s actually simply doing schooling. Now, I’ve been listening to your present and about your youngsters, I’ve been actually impressed about what you’re doing with the companies to your youngsters, and them needing to sort of give you a enterprise thought, and attempt to create a enterprise that’s worthwhile, as sort of a part of their education. I feel that’s, like, tremendous vital for all folks.

And the sooner you’ll be able to instill an entrepreneurial mindset, the higher. And that basically strains up, I feel with these concepts about saving and planning to your retirement. When you go right into a enterprise, you may have a marketing strategy. You have a funds. You’ve lengthy considered the way you’re going to realize them. You know, you’re hoping for one of the best. You’re planning for the worst. And all of these, , habits, they’ve immediately utilized to the enterprise of you. So, I feel, like, instilling this be entrepreneurial and beginning companies, but in addition take into consideration your life because the enterprise of you and sort of, , finally it’s actually all one working collectively, is one of the simplest ways to organize youngsters and get them educated. I imply, the reality be instructed, like, it actually all is tied collectively. Like, I feel that I’d say as much as be financially prudent, business-minded and investing targeted.

And it’s like, I used to be beginning companies, I used to be shopping for actual property, I used to be doing all these items that have been form of “businesses” in and of themselves, however on the finish of the day, now that I’ve sort of…I’m on this form of semi-retired state, and I sort of see the…, I’m wanting again and sort of realizing what it was all doing for me, all of these issues have been sort of, like, subsidiaries of the enterprise of me in a method. Like, all of it finally added as much as us, like, attaining our broader life objectives and, , primarily attending to a time the place we may have extra flexibility, freedom, and work much less, and have much less stress. And the rationale we wished that, simply in our case, was in order that we may spend time with our son with out dashing off to this or dashing off to that, or in my case, , it’s like, the weekend got here, and I nonetheless acquired my cellphone in my hand. I’m on the cellphone. I’m confused. And I’m fascinated with this, however I’m additionally, like, sitting there making an attempt to play, , with blocks and be, like, engaged, however it was, like, almost unattainable for me to do. Like, I used to be simply actually battling it.

And the story I inform about it that is sort of a true story and actually pointing was, like, when my son was, like, , 1, 2, he at all times spent lots of time together with his mother. I imply, cherished his mother. She’s nice. So that is smart. But, like, on the weekend, she’d be like, , “You should go do this with Daddy, you know, spend time with him.” And he would say, “I don’t wanna do it with Daddy. Daddy’s too wacky.” And I imply, I used to be making an attempt to not take offense to this as a result of youngsters, , they are saying the darndest issues. But I used to be at all times like, “What is this wacky? You know, wow, wacky, I mean.” And we sort of figured, nicely, it’s in all probability not good, primary. But, , in all probability… In the top, we sort of determined what he meant was, like, I used to be sort of grumpy, , as a result of, , we’re making an attempt to do issues, however I’m like, “No, wait, I know. All right, hold on, I gotta make this call. No, I’ll be back in a sec,” blah, blah, blah.

And then we made our transfer, and in six months into the transfer, , simply out of nowhere, and I child you not, he simply says, “Daddy’s not wacky anymore.” And we have been identical to, “Whoa, that is the craziest thing.” I can’t consider that occurred as a result of, , having the ability to take away ourselves from the stress and sort of reinvent our life is actually making, , a giant distinction with my relationship with my son. So, I’m actually grateful that I used to be ready to do this. And I used to be solely capable of do it by performing some planning, placing some work into this, and realizing that, like, that is your life that you just’re coping with right here. Like, it’s not some, , random summary factor that’s meaningless. Like, whether or not you’re there or not, you’ll get to a degree for no matter causes and it might be youngsters. It might be well being. It might be no matter. You will wish to make adjustments. You will wanna have freedom. You will wanna be capable of be in charge of your life. And if in case you have not completed any planning for that, most probably you can be caught not having the ability to do almost something that you just wish to do. And at that time, it’ll be, , a lot later and far more durable to resolve.

So, that sort of has, , pushed me to attempt to impart a few of this knowledge on to whoever’s , . And it’s humorous, like, companies, as a result of they’re at all times inclined to run enterprise, , and so forth, they’re keen to pay bookkeepers or, , enterprise managers or monetary advisors, , if there isn’t a associate within the group that does that. So, , like a CFO kind. That’s fairly commonplace. But what I sort of discovered is, as folks have been hiring me, the companies have been hiring me, I realized that the enterprise homeowners actually should not doing any of this. You know, so I began to translate, , like, what I’m doing for his or her enterprise and say, “Okay, like, we gotta kind of, like, start paying some attention to your personal side of this thing because you’re doing this whole business, ultimately, to have a positive impact on your personal scenario.”

And it’s like, you’re making good cash, however you’re not benefiting from it and investing it nicely and, like, years are passing, and also you’re simply sort of, like, , not profiting from it since you don’t discover it attention-grabbing or, like, you’re feeling such as you’re too busy.” I’m like, “This is a pretty major thing to kind of put off,” . And I began to appreciate that, , like, even the neatest folks, folks which can be profitable, that make good cash, even they’re not doing it. You know, like, even they’ve by no means put a funds collectively. And you’re like, “Wow, it’s pretty amazing, you know, the amount of people who just, you know, either don’t have time or don’t have the inclination, and don’t get around to it.” But it’s so much like train in that method. You know, everyone knows we have to do it however for no matter cause, it’s simply unattainable. And 30 years go by, after which you find yourself, like, , 100 kilos chubby, and also you’re like, “What happened?” And you’re like, “Well, you never exercised and you ate too much.”

Katie: Well, and I feel this actually is sort of a paradigm shift for lots of people, particularly… Like, I imply, I undoubtedly… My mother and father have been entrepreneurial in some methods. But I additionally grew up with my dad for lots of these years having a standard job. And so, I feel this may be like a tough psychological shift to make. But then there’s a lot freedom, like we talked about, when you do. Let’s speak somewhat bit about sort of the 2 issues I wanna contact on earlier than we wrap up are issues like facet hustles, which may appear daunting for somebody who’s by no means actually tried that earlier than. It can… I feel the unknown is at all times somewhat scarier than truly making an attempt that and conducting one thing. And then additionally speak somewhat bit extra in regards to the thought of incorporation as a result of we find out about this in a enterprise sense, however speak about how that may be useful on the non-public stage too.

Joe: Yes, so it’s query. So, the facet hustle factor, it’s acquired a number of advantages. Obviously, the first profit is you probably make more cash after which it can save you extra money. Now, , the apparent draw back of is it takes time. But I feel all people needs to be making an attempt to do… Well, I feel everybody must be business-minded, as I stated. And I can say, in my case, proudly owning a enterprise and having extra management over my very own revenue and, like, the methods I spend that enterprise’s cash, , has been very beneficial in rising the wealth, but in addition, an enormous profit to enterprise possession is the advantages you get within the tax class. Business homeowners mainly simply have the flexibility to pay much less taxes on a proportion foundation than, , your common W2 worker. Why that’s, , it’s arduous to say. I at all times sort of say, , at the very least the nation and the world, they’re run by individuals who have some huge cash, have companies, have a lot of actual property, they usually make legal guidelines, I feel, finally that advantages them greater than anyone else. And you simply want to determine what they’re and attempt to, , get as a lot profit out of it for your self.

So, enterprise homeowners, primarily, , they get to generate income, spend cash, and pay tax on the rest. Employees mainly, , earn cash, get taxed, after which they get to spend the rest. So if you may get your self right into a enterprise possession scenario, one, , you’ll have extra management over your individual revenue and when factor instances are good, you’ll be able to preserve, extra money for your self, which is an efficient factor, however you’ll get lots of tax profit. And it’s not simply within the phrases of, like, enterprise tax, , deductions and so forth. Like, enterprise homeowners have entry to your retirement financial savings autos that will let you put much more cash away. Like, in case you are an proprietor or, , sort of self-employed particular person, and also you’re identical to a single proprietor or proprietor with a partner, utilizing like a solo 401(okay), for instance, you’ll be able to put as much as $56,000 per you and your partner per yr away. Whereas your common W2 worker can solely put as much as $19,000 away, tax-free that’s.

And that’s simply a tremendous profit. If you may have the cash to place away, the truth that you may get that vast of a tax deduction earlier on in your life and have that extra cash working for you, I imply, that’s simply an enormous benefit. So, I feel… I have a look at the facet hustle as, one, you’re gonna make some extra cash. Two, you’re gonna sort of get your entrepreneurial seed planted and put your self at the very least to some extent within the enterprise proprietor class. So if in case you have a facet hustle and also you’re making some cash, however your online business is home-based, for instance, nicely, now hastily, you get to have a house workplace deduction, the place you don’t get to have a house workplace deduction in case you’re only a W2 worker, even in case you work from home. You know, a portion of the time, you get to put in writing off a few of your cellular phone. You get to put in writing us a few of your automobile. Like placing your self on this, , self-employed impartial contractor standing, offers you entry to the opportunity of saving cash on taxes.

And, , the largest invoice all of us pay yearly is our tax invoice. So, in case you’re not placing some thought into how you can, like, be best and, , not overpay in your tax invoice, nicely, you’re in all probability probably overpaying there. And you may have saved that cash and put it to be just right for you, like, in some form of, , investing capability. So, the facet hustle factor is simply multifaceted. And I feel finally, , for not each profession, are you able to simply transitioning to proudly owning a enterprise or doing consulting, however in case you can take what you’re doing and switch that into some form of part-time consulting work, , in a “freelance or independent contractor capacity,” oftentimes your hourly pay for doing that sort of work in a consulting capability is much larger.

So, I’d at all times have a look at, like, what are you doing? Is there a spot for it to be completed on the facet in a part-time, , consulting capability? If not, , possibly you attempt to flip a pastime or, , another factor that you are able to do right into a facet hustle each to earn more money, however then to additionally primarily turn into an impartial contractor/enterprise proprietor. And then if that’s going nicely and also you’re making a sure amount of cash with it, there you’ll be able to obtain further tax advantages by incorporating your online business. And you additionally obtain legal responsibility safety. So, , that’s just about what incorporation will get you. It will get you whether or not or not it’s like an Inc., , or a “corporation” or LLC, Limited Liability Company, it separates your online business actions out of your private life.

So, , within the legal responsibility sense, in case you acquired sued, , for no matter cause, in doing your online business and also you weren’t included, nicely, if the particular person suing you bought a judgment towards you, and that judgment exceeded no matter insurance coverage you might need, all of your private belongings could be uncovered to that lawsuit or that judgment. If you use your online business inside an entity like an LLC or a company, nicely, solely the belongings and, , fairness contained in the LLC could be uncovered to the lawsuits. So, like your private residence, or your automobiles, or your financial savings account, no matter, would theoretically not be accessible to the lawsuit as a result of the lawsuit is along with your entity and never with you personally. So lots of people will do their facet enterprise they usually received’t incorporate it, they usually simply sort of like receives a commission 1099 to their social safety quantity. And, , they’re open to some legal responsibility. Now, relying what you do, the probabilities of you getting sued, , are greater, , or decrease. So, , lawsuits should not a priority in each case, however that’s one cause you incorporate.

The subsequent cause you incorporate is you’ll be able to obtain even higher tax remedy by incorporating notably being an S Corp, primarily as a result of, , if you’re simply getting 1099 pay and even you’re simply an LLC, like a single-member LLC, you pay self-employment tax on your entire revenue. For no matter cause, once more, I don’t know why however if you’re an S corp, that construction requires you to pay a portion of your pay to your self within the type of a W2 paycheck, however it solely must be a sure portion of your revenue. And then the remaining revenue that you just get is just not topic to self-employment tax. Why that’s, I don’t know. But, , some shoppers of mine who weren’t structured proper, I helped them out, they usually every saved like $20,000 in taxes in 2019, simply by making a easy change like that. So, incorporation, , once more, it could possibly make it easier to in saving taxes after which additionally create legal responsibility safety for you.

And in case you’re entering into actual property, , actual property is one thing that each may be sort of a considerably passive funding factor, however then also can turn into mainly somebody’s full-time profession if you find yourself form of actually liking it and rising a giant actual property portfolio. And, , with actual property, that’s truly the place you may have in all probability among the best, like, lawsuit potential as a result of, , you may have folks, , in a property, you personal full-time dwelling there. You know, something may occur, quite a lot of issues may occur, and you may get sued. So if in case you have actual property, you actually wanna take into account having actual property being an LLC, for certain, and having, like, asset safety plan in thoughts. Yeah, so the deeper you get within the weeds on, like, … The complete retirement factor, it’s a easy plan.

But the large part of really it actually advancing and also you advancing in the direction of this monetary independence is essentially depending on investing your cash and getting some good, , funding efficiency. And for most individuals within the investing portion of your retirement plan is both gonna be you placing your cash within the markets, the general public markets, or in personally owned actual property. For me and my spouse, and our household, like, actual property has been the first car we’ve invested our cash in. And I feel it outperforms the market, , by and enormous. And it actually has for us.

And I ought to say, the opposite factor that I feel is actually vital for folks to be doing apart from making the plan and fascinated with these items and making an attempt to earn extra money to advance your financial savings and, , transfer your self in the direction of monetary independence sooner, I feel it’s extremely vital for folks to purchase a home. For it appeared like for some time there with the millennials, there was this debate as to the advantages of residence possession. That, to me, is sort of a foolish debate. I don’t know precisely how that occurred. But I used to be simply studying some statistics final evening that that pattern is popping round and millennials are beginning to purchase extra homes. And it turned out possibly the rationale folks thought they weren’t shopping for them is as a result of they’re simply doing issues so much later than different, , earlier generations have completed them.

But proudly owning a home, nicely, there’s a complete number of advantages to it. But primarily, what you’re doing is, , most probably until you reside at residence for, , a extremely lengthy time period otherwise you’re in some lease management, which is tough to search out, you’re most probably gonna be paying like market worth for lease, , to your housing fee, no matter that’s. And if you purchase a house, primarily what you do is you change a fee that you just’re going to must make anyway into a extremely good funding. And I identical to… You know, I at all times wish to stress this, , as a part of any plan, like, anybody who’s fascinated with saving and making an attempt to, like, get this, , retirement factor superior, in case you don’t personal a house, you actually needs to be fascinated with making an attempt to personal one. And in case you’re younger, you wanna personal one as quickly as you’ll be able to.

And I feel for many younger folks, what they need to do first is they need to purchase a multi-family home, like a two to four-unit property. Live in a single property, lease the opposite models and have that be their first each funding, , in actual property however, , simply funding, normally. And finally, that’ll turn into , as they wanna transfer and hopefully, possibly transfer into a distinct home, a much bigger home, no matter it’s they want, that multifamily property shall be, , the primary piece of their actual property portfolio. And the federal government at the moment incentivizes us a lot to personal actual property via tax breaks.

And for first-time homebuyers, you may get into actual property so low-cost, , for, like, as little as 3.5% down. It’s like the maths of proudly owning versus renting, it’s to date into the column of proudly owning. Like, it’s not even humorous, And I truly… I at all times wish to say I’m the sort of particular person I do the maths on just about every part. I feel you are able to do the maths in absolutely anything. And I’ve completed the maths and it’s very compelling for residence possession. And in case you do it in a multifamily sense, it’s like, , massively compelling. Sorry, that was somewhat sidebar, however I wished to throw that in there.

Katie: Yeah, I’ve completed that math too. I completely agree. And I do know you may have lots of… You’ve written about this in your web site, which we must always have talked about already, however playlouder.com. I’ll guarantee that’s linked within the present notes. For all you guys listening, I’ve been taking notes, and people are all at wellnessmama.fm within the present notes, in addition to hyperlink to his web site, which has so many weblog posts and even have programs on all of this to assist preserve it shifting ahead. I’ll be certain that folks can discover you and continue learning.

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As we navigate to the top of our time, one other query I’d like to ask purely selfishly as a result of I’m an avid reader is, are there any e-book or a lot of books which have had a dramatic influence in your life? And if that’s the case, what are they and why?

Joe: Yes, there’s been a bunch. I’d say, although… I’ll provide you with a number of. They’re not all cash associated too, by the way in which. One that I learn, like, proper out of school was this e-book referred to as “What Do I Say Next?” And it’s mainly in regards to the artwork of dialog. And, , I used to be entering into my profession and I used to be considering, , like, all people, I imply, I’ve anxieties to this, that, and the opposite. You know, it’s not straightforward to go and make issues occur. So I learn this e-book to only attempt to work on my small speak and it truthfully had a extremely large influence in my life. Because it allowed small speak to be straightforward and it simply, like, sort of gave me a bunch of instruments to, like, speak with folks simply. And that’s the method you get so many issues completed and make issues occur in your life is by having good conversations with folks, creating relationships, after which constructing partnerships with completely different those that, you, , proceed on with extra time. So that was a extremely large e-book. And it’s humorous right this moment, like, with social media and stuff and the truth that I’ve employed lots of younger folks, like, post-social media period, the artwork of dialog is certainly, , beginning to decline somewhat bit. Hopefully, we flip that round.

But one other one, it’s a extremely primary e-book, quite common, however “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” is a reasonably good e-book about getting your head into the entrepreneurship and being business-minded of us, , not considering “like a worker,” considering like a enterprise proprietor. I feel that applies, , in so many features of life. Though, I’ll say I feel “Rich Dad, Poor Dad” might be answerable for folks considering that proudly owning a house is just not a good suggestion as a result of he made this well-known assertion in there about, “Your home is your biggest expense, not your biggest asset.” I don’t assume that’s correct in any respect. So, don’t take note of that half. And then “Your Money or Your Life” by Vicki Robin is a extremely good one to consider how, , if you’re shopping for stuff, you don’t want you actually simply buying and selling your future time. And then lastly, a current e-book referred to as “A New Earth” by Eckhart Tolle. It’s extra of a religious e-book, and mainly about understanding, like, , our egos, primary, and likewise, like, making an attempt to know how you can, like, be extra current and all that in life. It’s a extremely, actually fascinating e-book that blew my thoughts. So I’d suggest that enormously.

Katie: I like it. That one by Eckhart Tolle has come up a number of instances lately on this podcast. So that’s gonna transfer to the highest of my record. Enough folks I belief have really useful it. And I feel…

Joe: That one and “The Power of Now,” they form of, like, virtually work collectively. But yeah, I prefer it.

Katie: Awesome. Well, I’ll be certain that these are linked within the present notes. And I’m getting on my Kindle proper now. And I feel the proper place to wrap up is what you simply talked about, once more, and likewise you talked about earlier within the episode of contemplating issues so far as their worth in time, not their worth in cash. And if we consider time as our most beneficial asset, which it’s, we are able to’t exchange it. We can’t purchase extra. That actually reframes it. And am I keen to commerce this period of time of my life for this possession, which can also be going to take up time to keep up?

Joe: It’s actually when you may have youngsters and also you’re like, “Do I wanna buy this and have less time with my kid right now for this object?” You know, oftentimes, the reply isn’t any.

Katie: Exactly. And I do know for all the ladies listening, there have been research that our stress ranges are immediately associated to the quantity of stuff we’ve in our home. And conversely, the much less stuff, the much less stress. So, I feel if you mix that, the concept of time and the concept of stress, it makes a powerful case for minimizing these issues and actually simply specializing in the core issues which results in us being happier, but in addition to getting to those objectives quicker. And like I stated at the start, I feel this is a vital side of well being as nicely, monetary well being and the psychological well being connected to that. And it’s one I haven’t talked about that a lot on this podcast. And so I’m very grateful to you right this moment for coming and sharing your sensible programs. I’ll hyperlink to a few of my favourite weblog posts you may have within the present notes. You guys can continue learning there. And, , continue learning from Joe, attain out on his web site and continue learning. But Joe, thanks a lot to your time right this moment. This was so nice.

Joe: Absolutely. Thank you for having me. I do know the enterprise facet of issues is just not at all times lined, so I actually admire you giving me a chance to come back in and speak about it.

Katie: Thank you for being right here. And thanks as at all times, in fact, to these of you listening, for sharing, as we talked about your most beneficial asset, your time with each of us right this moment. We’re so grateful for you. We’re so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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